The J-Curve: Suffering with Jesus

Editor’s note: What does “dying and rising with Jesus” look like?  J-Curve: Dying and Rising with Jesus in Everyday Life, a 2019 book by Paul Miller, seeks to answer that question. Today we are continuing our series on the J-Curve through a conversation with Lily, a Chinese Christian leader.

This interview has been edited for clarity and length.


China Partnership: I’ve heard you talk about how the J-Curve is so beautiful to the Chinese church because, while Chinese believers accept suffering as a part of Christian life, the resurrection is hard to believe in. Sometimes, Americans immediately think that, for Chinese Christians, suffering means being sent to jail. For some people, that is true. But there is a wide variety of experiences. Could you talk about the experience of suffering in the Chinese house church?

Suffering Alongside the World

Lily: In the Chinese church, the first step is to accept the difficulties in life. In China, when we believe in Christ, most people believe that this God is the sovereign, almighty Lord. We confess this way. He created the heavens and the earth, and is so powerful. He also loves us so much. Why doesn’t God just give me what I want?

As a Christian, we have a lot of hardships and difficulties in our lives that are the same situation as non-Christians face. We have economic pressure, and pressure for the kids’ education. We have bad relationships with our parents, and bad relationships with our kids. We also have work pressure. Both Christians and non-Christians experience these hardships. Our experiences are nearly the same. Then Christians ask: “Why are we in the same situation as unbelievers? What is the difference between us?”

As a Christian, we have a lot of hardships and difficulties in our lives that are the same situation as non-Christians face.

One of my best friends spent a lot of money to buy a house in [a large Chinese city]. They bought the house so they could send their children to school in that area. The house is old and poor, and they had to spend a lot of money to redecorate. But just a few years later, we experienced Covid, and the Chinese economy began to enter a very cold time.

They had to pay a very high price for this house, and then they also realized that the house cannot solve the problem of their kids’ education. They had gotten the wrong information, and the policy changed, so now the house is nothing. They cannot sell the house, and they also have to keep paying high loans which give them a lot of pressure. Now, their children go to a Christian school which is very, very far away. They have to drive them there, and it’s very difficult for my friend.

She asked me, “Why did God give her this situation?” She raised this question before I gave her the J-Curve. I told her, this is the situation God gives us. He allows these kinds of difficulties so we can suffer with him, and also so we can suffer with the world – because we are in the world. You can choose whether you suffer in the world only, or if you suffer with God and with Jesus.

We took a few minutes and talked about Jesus’s life in our earth. He was not born into a rich family, but into a very hard situation. Throughout his life, he didn’t take earthly power or a good situation for himself. He suffered for us, and now we are in the same situation as him. In his everyday suffering, he is with his Father.

How about you? Pray. Be with your Father, and know he is with you. He knows your situation. Accept your difficulties and walk with your Lord. God didn’t leave you alone in difficulty, he wants you to go and follow him.

They are suffering in the same situation as many others – but we are also different, because non-Christians do not have the Lord with them. They cannot experience satisfaction in their present situation. But we believers can trust God, that he will supply everything we need.

After I shared, my friend was comforted. She also shared this with her husband, because he is the one taking the biggest burden. They accepted that they are suffering in the same situation as many others – but we are also different, because non-Christians do not have the Lord with them. They cannot experience satisfaction in their present situation. But we believers can trust God, that he will supply everything we need.

We don’t need to have a big house or a lot of money in the bank. We can just trust him. I don’t need to rely on a house to solve the problem of my kids’ education; I can rely on God. This is the first kind of difficulty, the suffering of difficulties in this world.

Suffering for Faith

Another kind of suffering for Chinese Christians is that, because of the government, Chinese Christians experience more difficulties [than others]. Because you are not a Party member, you will lose a lot of opportunities in the workplace.[1] You have a Christian ethic; even if something is obviously wrong, non-Christians will just do it; it doesn’t matter. But Christians have to refuse, so this is very hard.[2] In the workplace, people have to overwork. Having to work on Sundays is very normal. But Christians have Sunday worship, and need to say no to their boss. This is not easy.

So Christians experience extra pressure in the workplace. Students, especially, have extra pressure from the government. All this is because of government pressure.

Because of the government, Chinese Christians experience more difficulties… Believers receive pressure from society, socially and in their relationships.

Another issue is the pressure of society. The government has influenced society, so people have the attitude, “You Christians are good people, but you are not welcomed.” Especially in recent years, no matter whether in school or in other places, the government will not allow Christians to enter college campuses. They also shut down churches. People can see that the government does not support Christianity, so society has an attitude toward Christians of, “You are different from us.”

Believers receive pressure from society, socially and in their relationships. If they hear you are a Christian, they might say, “Oh, you are a strange person. Don’t talk about your beliefs with me. We can share anything but your Christianity.”

This is the social suffering for Christians in China.

 

[1] In China, members of the Communist Party find it easier to rise through the ranks in school and in the workplace. They have more opportunities than non-Party members, and receive special privileges.

[2] Christianity prohibits believers from cutting certain moral corners that most of Chinese society views as simply the price of doing business.


Lily is a pseudonym for a Chinese Christian leader. She and her husband have two sons, and are serving in their first year as missionaries.

Pray that Chinese Christians will be able to bring their sufferings to Jesus, and see the meaning in their difficulties. Pray they will not suffer as the world suffers, but will have hope in their troubles.

Share This Story

Further Reading

max-zhang-qiFTY1aJiBs-unsplash
Guangzhou: "God Has Been Gracious"
Read More
scarbor-siu-y6i4gWv32Rc-unsplash
Guangzhou: Challenges and Struggles
Read More
qingbao-meng-Uakg46j_y7Q-unsplash
Guangzhou: "A Time for Testimony"
Read More

LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT IN CHINA

With rising pressure and persecution in China, there are two challenges imperative for church leaders. The first challenge is for current leaders to love Christ above all else, and not to stray into legalism or love of the world. The second challenge is to raise up the next generation of leaders, who will humbly model Jesus even if current leaders are arrested.

WILL YOU JOIN US IN PRAYING FOR LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT IN CHINA? PRAY FOR:

  1. Current leaders to grow in their daily walks with Christ
  2. Current leaders to shepherd and raise up new leaders
  3. New leaders who love Christ and will model him to the world
  4. New leaders to love and care for the church

Videos

ABOUT LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT

About Shenyang

Shenyang is a city located in northeastern China and is the capital of Liaoning Province. It is known for its rich history and cultural heritage, including the Shenyang Imperial Palace, which is a UNESCO World Heritage site. Shenyang is also a hub for China’s heavy industry, with companies such as the China First Automobile Group and the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation having their headquarters in the city.

Videos

Stories from Shenyang

About Qingdao

Qingdao is a city located in eastern China and is famous for its beaches, beer, and seafood. The city is home to several landmarks, including the Zhanqiao Pier and the Badaguan Scenic Area. Qingdao is also a major port and has a thriving economy, with industries such as electronics, petrochemicals, and machinery.

Videos

Stories from Qingdao

About Xiamen

Xiamen is a city located in southeastern China and is a popular tourist destination known for its beautiful coastal scenery, including Gulangyu Island, which is a UNESCO World Heritage site. The city is also a hub for China’s high-tech industry, with companies such as Huawei and ZTE having research and development centers in Xiamen.

Videos

Stories from Xiamen

About Chongqing

Chongqing is a city located in southwestern China and is a major economic center in the region. The city is known for its spicy cuisine, especially its hot pot dishes, and is also famous for the Three Gorges Dam, the world’s largest hydroelectric dam. Chongqing is also home to several historic sites, including the Dazu Rock Carvings, which are UNESCO World Heritage sites.

Videos

Stories from Chongqing

About Nanjing

Nanjing is a city located in eastern China and is the capital of Jiangsu Province. It is one of China’s ancient capitals and has a rich cultural history, including the Ming Xiaoling Mausoleum, the Nanjing City Wall, and the Confucius Temple. Nanjing is also a modern city with a thriving economy and is home to several universities, including Nanjing University and Southeast University.

Videos

Stories from Nanjing

About Changchun

Changchun is a city located in northeastern China and is the capital of Jilin Province. It is known for its rich cultural heritage and is home to several historical landmarks such as the Puppet Emperor’s Palace and the Jingyuetan National Forest Park. Changchun is also a hub for China’s automotive industry, with several major automobile manufacturers having their headquarters in the city.

Videos

Stories from Changchun

About Guangzhou

Guangzhou, also known as Canton, is a city located in southern China and is the capital of Guangdong Province. It is one of the country’s largest and most prosperous cities, serving as a major transportation and trading hub for the region. Guangzhou is renowned for its modern architecture, including the Canton Tower and the Guangzhou Opera House, as well as its Cantonese cuisine, which is famous for its variety and bold flavors. The city also has a rich history, with landmarks such as the Chen Clan Ancestral Hall, the Sun Yat-sen Memorial Hall, and the Temple of the Six Banyan Trees. Additionally, Guangzhou hosts the annual Canton Fair, the largest trade fair in China.

Videos

Stories from Guangzhou

About Kunming

Kunming is a city located in southwest China and is the capital of Yunnan Province. Known as the “City of Eternal Spring” for its mild climate, Kunming is a popular tourist destination due to its natural beauty and cultural diversity. The city is home to several scenic spots, including the UNESCO World Heritage Site of the Stone Forest, Dian Lake, and the Western Hills. Kunming is also famous for its unique cuisine, which features a mix of Han, Yi, and Bai ethnic flavors. The city has a rich cultural history, with ancient temples and shrines like the Yuantong Temple and the Golden Temple, and it’s also a hub for Yunnan’s ethnic minority cultures, such as the Yi and Bai peoples.

Videos

Stories from Kunming

About Shenzhen

Shenzhen is a city located in southeastern China and is one of the country’s fastest-growing metropolises. The city is renowned for its thriving tech industry, with companies such as Huawei, Tencent, and DJI having their headquarters in Shenzhen. The city also has a vibrant cultural scene, with numerous museums, art galleries, and parks. Shenzhen is also known for its modern architecture, such as the Ping An Finance Center and the Shenzhen Bay Sports Center. Despite its modernization, Shenzhen also has a rich history and cultural heritage, with landmarks such as the Dapeng Fortress and the Chiwan Tin Hau Temple.

Videos

Stories from Shenzhen

About Chengdu

Chengdu is a city located in the southwestern region of China, and the capital of Sichuan province. It has a population of over 18 million people, and it is famous for its spicy Sichuan cuisine, laid-back lifestyle, and its cute and cuddly residents – the giant pandas. Chengdu is home to the Chengdu Research Base of Giant Panda Breeding, where visitors can observe these adorable creatures in their natural habitat. The city also boasts a rich cultural heritage, with numerous temples, museums, and historical sites scattered throughout its boundaries. Chengdu is a city of contrasts, with ancient traditions coexisting alongside modern developments, making it an intriguing and fascinating destination for visitors to China. 

Videos

Stories from Chengdu

About Beijing

Beijing is the capital city of China and one of the most populous cities in the world, with a population of over 21 million people. The city has a rich history that spans over 3,000 years, and it has served as the capital of various dynasties throughout China’s history. Beijing is home to some of the most iconic landmarks in China, including the Great Wall, the Forbidden City, and the Temple of Heaven. The city is also a hub for political, cultural, and educational activities, with numerous universities and research institutions located within its boundaries. Beijing is renowned for its traditional architecture, rich cuisine, and vibrant cultural scene, making it a must-visit destination for travelers to China.

Videos

Stories from Beijing

About Shanghai

Shanghai is a vibrant and dynamic city located on the eastern coast of China. It is the largest city in China and one of the most populous cities in the world, with a population of over 24 million people. Shanghai is a global financial hub and a major center for international trade, with a rich history and culture that spans over 1,000 years. The city is famous for its iconic skyline, which features towering skyscrapers such as the Oriental Pearl Tower and the Shanghai Tower. Shanghai is also home to a diverse culinary scene, world-class museums and art galleries, and numerous shopping districts. It is a city that is constantly evolving and reinventing itself, making it a fascinating destination for visitors from around the world.

Videos

Stories from Shanghai

give

A short message about partnering with us.